Thursday, June 01, 2006

Dissection Debate

I recently dissected a piglet in biology class. It really was a unique experience and I enjoyed every bit. But, I was sitting at lunch yesterday a friend of mine asked me, "Why shouldn't we dissect animals?" (Because she's writing a paper about it). I'm just going to write the conversation, it's hard for me to put it into paragraphs without it sounding like a story. (Yes yes, I know I'm a big nerd because I actually wrote the conversation down on a notebook).

#1: "Oh, yeah Kat, Why shouldn't we dissect animals?"
me: "You mean why should we dissect animals."
#1: "No, I mean ..could I say it's against my morals or something"
me: "How is it against your morals?"
#1: "Because your killing it"
me: "It's already dead!"

This is when another person enters the conversation and somehow relates it to abortion.

#2: "Your not respecting the dead when you dissect and they should take it out of school. I don't get you Kat, how can you think abortion is not okay and killing an innocent animal is"
me: "Why are you relating a human being to an animal? I eat animals! Doesn't everyone? They serve a purpose."
#2: "We are animals!"
me: "So you believe in that evolution crap and that we evolved from primates."
#2: "Where else?"
me: "I'm not even gonna touch that topic with you."

Then this is when my republican friend (under the pen name Silver) enters the convo.

#2: "They have programs for computers for these kind of things, where you use the mouse as tool and you can do dissections on the computer without killing anything"
#3: "I get what you're saying, but I'd have to say the same. I mean you breed these pigs just to kill them and dissect them. Don't you think that's kinda sick? Plus high school students don't take it seriously, they goof around. I say that dissections should be optional."
me: "Computers don't give you the experience. The ability to see the heart, lungs, stomach, how the body works. If you make it optional nobody's gonna do it. They won't even try! What if someone thinks they're not gonna like it, but try dissecting and learn to love it; become doctors and such. It's like a test for people too, they dissect to gain experience for even bigger dissections, like humans. Would you seriously let a doctor operate surgery on you if they had no experience?"
#2: "It's still wrong"
me: "You do eat meat right?"
#2: "That's different"
me: "How so?"
#2: "It just is"
#3: "I still think that they should just have it as a college course, we shouldn't be forced to do it"
me: "I'm forced to go to school everyday and wake up at 5 in the morning, but I don't complain. We test things on animals too, that's how we find cures for things. And we don't kill them, they're already dead."
#1: "You guys really aren't helping me"
me: "Why don't you write a paper about why dissections are important"
#1: "That's not the assignment"
me: "Your biology teacher assigned a paper...about why you shouldn't have dissections. Biology. Teacher. Well then I have no idea."



At 8:17 PM, Blogger F.B. Jones said...

Being a nerd is quite alright.
Although I was not a nerd in high school I respected the hell out of them. I was one of the kids that had fun dissecting animals. We used to make them dance and sing. You are right with your approach. Never expect the newly budding liberals to understand. The only thing you can do is beat them up!!!! just kidding. Keep up the good fight. Our country needs your help.

At 9:33 PM, Blogger RJay said...

When I was in High School the biology teacher had us dissect a frog. I don't remember much about it, but I think it was still alive. =:-O

It would appear I'm in deep doo doo. I ate a pork chop tonight and had a ham sandwich for lunch. I hope the pork police don't see this. ó^ò

At 2:11 AM, Blogger HappyGirl said...

Let's hope none of these people ever attempt medical school, where hundreds of cadavers are "dissected" each day! (I probably spelled that wrong, by the way). In the interest of science and research, especially in the area of medical advancements, I say DISSECT AWAY! Unfortunately we live in an era where human children have less "right to life" than animals. How pathetic.

I, too, had to dissect a pig in high school, and I hated every minute of it! But imagine my surprise when another pig showed up in freshman biology my first year of college--I knew exactly what I was doing and I aced the test (made the highest grade in the class!). Keep up the good work,'ll go far!

At 4:43 AM, Blogger Brooke said...

I dissected a cow heart, a cow eye,a cat, a worm, and a grasshopper in high school. And, one of the cats in the class was pregnant.

Dissection is a valuable experience as it teaches us how the body functions.

The computer model might be good practice for the actual dissection, but you are right, Kat, it is just not the same as "getting your hands dirty."

Besides, the anti-dissection crowd sounds like they were barely conscious, let alone able to form a cogent argument. Unless you are a hemp-only, no leather product wearing vegan... SHUTUP!

At 12:49 PM, Anonymous Silver said...

Woo hoo, I'm number three! You need both numbers one AND two to equal my awesomeness! Go me!

Well, the Biology teacher didn't assign the paper... we had two options - we could dissect the actual pig or do an online dissection. And then she was like, "If you don't think you could even stand the online version, write a paper about why you shouldn't have to do dissections."

Of course Biology teachers like dissecting things; they just don't like the smell, or the mess that comes with putting sharp knives and a pig brain in the hands of stupid teenagers. That's basically what the biology teacher said, at least. Seriously, some people said they were gonna take out the pig's ovaries and throw them around the room.

If you didn't know why I opted out of the pig dissection, there's your answer. Teenagers suck.

At 6:57 PM, Blogger Little Miss Chatterbox said...

Great job standing your ground Kat!!! Your responses were excellent and well said. And writing things down in a notebook doesn't make you a nerd, just a blogger. I find myself writing things down all the time, and saying that would be great for my blog :-))).

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At 11:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well here comes that vegan brooke mentioned...

I would like to offer a question: I was never required to dissect an animal in high school - I am from a small island and it's expensive to bring in dead animals for dissection. In your pro-dissection opinions, did I miss out on a crucial high school experience which would have otherwise enriched my life in a significant way?

At 5:10 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I understand where you are coming from and definitely respect your viewpoint. But it's also important to keep in mind that there are people who do object both on moral and religious grounds to taking life.

That aside, wouldn't it make more sense to work on cadavers if the object is to learn about the systems of the human body? At least with cadavers, that person volunteered their body for medical science. The animals in your class were given no such choice.

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At 7:20 PM, Blogger Lindy said...

i heartily agree with the last anonymous person (with the 2 paragraphs written at 5 something pm).

The lack of respect for A) other's opinions and B) the animals themselves made me sick to my stomach with disbelief. I would appreciate it if the commenters realized that not all people opposed to dissection are pot smoking, straight-F, agnostic, pro-choice, "let's be liberal for the heck of it" kind of people... I am quite liberal, but I also am a straight-A student who enjoys reading and studying music in her spare time instead of smoking weed or drinking, which I am completely opposed to.

I appreciate where you are coming from for part of this, but I wish that people had a little more respect for all living things. Like that person said, the animals can't choose whether or not they get cut open, while humans (later turned into cadavers) can.

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Also, the idea that teenagers will not be responsible i believe isn't entirely true, it all depends on how the teacher addressed the issue. In my class the teacher made it clear that if any student hacked off a limb or disrespected the pig in anyway they would automatically fail the assignment and would be kick out of the class (meaning that they would fail the whole course).

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